In Awe (and more than a little Shock).
First off: Thanks. I am truly appreciative of the support.
The second half of that post has been bubbling just below every word I have spoken aloud for the last few weeks truthfully, and getting it out felt great. I think part of what I miss at work was the ability to talk to people (those of you who’ve met me might agree that I come by the E in ENFJ honestly). In the absence of that pressure-release valve, I have been bottling things up. For a guy wired like me, that ain’t good. Peak, I completely agree with you about the exercise thing, and have already started on it. Trip is my inspiration.
As it turns out, posting was also important because my MGWB is apparently good for things non-poker related.
I shit you not.
Four hours after I posted this morning, I checked the NY Dept of Ed site and low and behold: my new york license had just been issued. Likely within minutes of me putting up my rant.
Heh. Can you fucking believe that?
Game On. [Cackles maniacally in the background, smashes small objects on his desktop...]
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Okay back to the pokah part of this pokahblog.
Here’s a new segment at Flights called: Where's The Error?
Debts of inspiration go to Hoy (Hot Hand Maestro), Fuel (Hand Historian Extraordinaire) and smokkee (16k Big Pimp) for a great post on a cash game hand he won with K3c.
Every once in a while I will post hands that either resulted in me getting stacked at a cash game (let’s hope it’s more like once in a blue moon) or that have resulted in me getting crippled in a deep MTT run. At that point if you have time and are inclined, I’d appreciate your perspective on my play.
I know what you’re thinking – What’s in it for you, right? Well - seeing me suffer on a semi-regular basis will likely satisfy some deep-seated sadism lying underfed within your id. And then you get the opportunity to call me names [as long as there is something remotely analytical in the comment too – I ain’t particular; just dress the girl up a little, ok?] So it really is win/win.
To Wit:
Full Tilt Poker Game #1235549186: Table Anthem Club - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:48:39 ET - 2006/11/12
Seat 1: mariojr ($198)
Seat 2: BDBOO ($222)
Seat 3: BLOODREDD ($185)
Seat 4: joshua1981 ($212.80)
Seat 5: zx9r ($248.60)
Seat 6: cheeto42 ($196.85)
Seat 7: Jazz000 ($213.30)
Seat 8: nkmoney ($151.10)
Seat 9: Iakaris ($198.70) – only been here an orbit or so, been in a couple of hands, folded to pressure on both.
cheeto42 posts the small blind of $1
Jazz000 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Iakaris [As Kd]
nkmoney folds
Iakaris raises to $7 [standard raise for this table, with me in early MP]
mariojr folds
BDBOO folds
BLOODREDD folds
joshua1981 folds
zx9r folds
BDBOO: suck out
cheeto42 folds
Jazz000 calls $5 [range here from the BB is wide any pair, AK-AT, KQ-KJ?]
*** FLOP *** [5d 2s Ad]
Jazz000 checks [trapping or weak? Only one way to find out…]
Iakaris bets $12 [into a pot of 15 bucks – too small?]
Jazz000 calls $12[AA/KK – unlikely with no reraise preflop or post, but could be slowplaying, QQ/JJ/TT?, AK-AT, 55,22 or a diamond draw: I’m not sure where I stand with this hand, but it isn’t for a lack of raising.]
*** TURN *** [5d 2s Ad] [Ks]
Jazz000 checks [WTF does that mean?]
Iakaris bets $30 [into a $39 pot – your thoughts?]
Jazz000 raises to $70 [not much of a raise, but what to do? He’s seen me fold to reraising twice, so this could be that. I have hit this board pretty hard. Do I fold or get it in? Is there a raise I can make that exerts pressure but doesn’t commit the stack? I can’t believe just calling here is right, so it’s either raise or fold…]
Iakaris raises to $179.70, and is all in
Jazz000 calls $109.70
Iakaris shows [As Kd]
Jazz000 shows [2d 2h]
*** RIVER *** [5d 2s Ad Ks] [Jh]
Iakaris shows two pair, Aces and Kings
Jazz000 shows three of a kind, Twos
Jazz000 wins the pot ($395.40) with three of a kind, Twos
Iakaris is sitting out [Iakaris is actually tilting ferociously and wondering why the fuck he insists he can figure out cash games when the universe has repeatedly asked him in no uncertain terms to Fuck Right Off.]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $398.40 Rake $3
Board: [5d 2s Ad Ks Jh]
Seat 7: Jazz000 (big blind) showed [2d 2h] and won ($395.40) with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 9: Iakaris showed [As Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Okay, look forward to some help.
To sum up: License Received. Spirits Biblically Lifted. Cash Game Still Wobbly.
Laytah.
The second half of that post has been bubbling just below every word I have spoken aloud for the last few weeks truthfully, and getting it out felt great. I think part of what I miss at work was the ability to talk to people (those of you who’ve met me might agree that I come by the E in ENFJ honestly). In the absence of that pressure-release valve, I have been bottling things up. For a guy wired like me, that ain’t good. Peak, I completely agree with you about the exercise thing, and have already started on it. Trip is my inspiration.
As it turns out, posting was also important because my MGWB is apparently good for things non-poker related.
I shit you not.
Four hours after I posted this morning, I checked the NY Dept of Ed site and low and behold: my new york license had just been issued. Likely within minutes of me putting up my rant.
Heh. Can you fucking believe that?
Game On. [Cackles maniacally in the background, smashes small objects on his desktop...]
_________________________________
Okay back to the pokah part of this pokahblog.
Here’s a new segment at Flights called: Where's The Error?
Debts of inspiration go to Hoy (Hot Hand Maestro), Fuel (Hand Historian Extraordinaire) and smokkee (16k Big Pimp) for a great post on a cash game hand he won with K3c.
Every once in a while I will post hands that either resulted in me getting stacked at a cash game (let’s hope it’s more like once in a blue moon) or that have resulted in me getting crippled in a deep MTT run. At that point if you have time and are inclined, I’d appreciate your perspective on my play.
I know what you’re thinking – What’s in it for you, right? Well - seeing me suffer on a semi-regular basis will likely satisfy some deep-seated sadism lying underfed within your id. And then you get the opportunity to call me names [as long as there is something remotely analytical in the comment too – I ain’t particular; just dress the girl up a little, ok?] So it really is win/win.
To Wit:
Full Tilt Poker Game #1235549186: Table Anthem Club - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:48:39 ET - 2006/11/12
Seat 1: mariojr ($198)
Seat 2: BDBOO ($222)
Seat 3: BLOODREDD ($185)
Seat 4: joshua1981 ($212.80)
Seat 5: zx9r ($248.60)
Seat 6: cheeto42 ($196.85)
Seat 7: Jazz000 ($213.30)
Seat 8: nkmoney ($151.10)
Seat 9: Iakaris ($198.70) – only been here an orbit or so, been in a couple of hands, folded to pressure on both.
cheeto42 posts the small blind of $1
Jazz000 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Iakaris [As Kd]
nkmoney folds
Iakaris raises to $7 [standard raise for this table, with me in early MP]
mariojr folds
BDBOO folds
BLOODREDD folds
joshua1981 folds
zx9r folds
BDBOO: suck out
cheeto42 folds
Jazz000 calls $5 [range here from the BB is wide any pair, AK-AT, KQ-KJ?]
*** FLOP *** [5d 2s Ad]
Jazz000 checks [trapping or weak? Only one way to find out…]
Iakaris bets $12 [into a pot of 15 bucks – too small?]
Jazz000 calls $12[AA/KK – unlikely with no reraise preflop or post, but could be slowplaying, QQ/JJ/TT?, AK-AT, 55,22 or a diamond draw: I’m not sure where I stand with this hand, but it isn’t for a lack of raising.]
*** TURN *** [5d 2s Ad] [Ks]
Jazz000 checks [WTF does that mean?]
Iakaris bets $30 [into a $39 pot – your thoughts?]
Jazz000 raises to $70 [not much of a raise, but what to do? He’s seen me fold to reraising twice, so this could be that. I have hit this board pretty hard. Do I fold or get it in? Is there a raise I can make that exerts pressure but doesn’t commit the stack? I can’t believe just calling here is right, so it’s either raise or fold…]
Iakaris raises to $179.70, and is all in
Jazz000 calls $109.70
Iakaris shows [As Kd]
Jazz000 shows [2d 2h]
*** RIVER *** [5d 2s Ad Ks] [Jh]
Iakaris shows two pair, Aces and Kings
Jazz000 shows three of a kind, Twos
Jazz000 wins the pot ($395.40) with three of a kind, Twos
Iakaris is sitting out [Iakaris is actually tilting ferociously and wondering why the fuck he insists he can figure out cash games when the universe has repeatedly asked him in no uncertain terms to Fuck Right Off.]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $398.40 Rake $3
Board: [5d 2s Ad Ks Jh]
Seat 7: Jazz000 (big blind) showed [2d 2h] and won ($395.40) with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 9: Iakaris showed [As Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Okay, look forward to some help.
To sum up: License Received. Spirits Biblically Lifted. Cash Game Still Wobbly.
Laytah.
posted by Iakaris aka I.A.K. at 8:25 PM
20 Comments:
I like how you played it the whole way. It is one of those hands you can get stacked on easy in a cash game. You pick up enough on the turn, and the guy is so weak up to that point.
If the K does not hit the turn, I think you bet it the same way, but are able to release it to the pressure (possibly), but that K sealed your fate.
ya, i don't think there are many players who aren't getting stacked there. you caught a case of the two pair blooz.
I guess that guy never heard of the notion, "bet a set."
With two diamonds on the flop, check-calling is pretty weak. He's definetly not an aggressive player. I highly doubt his intention was trapping.
Unfortuanate that he probably thinks he's the best poker player in the world.
I have no problem with the way you played the hand. Like everyone else pretty much said, it's virtually impossible to get rid of that hand on the turn, unless you're Negreanu and have the ability to summon the power of Roentgen in order to see your opponent(s)' cards.
Oof. Those hands really suck. I had the same thing happen to me last night, but my Villian had 44 and I had KK.
Nothing to complain about for who you played it. The K on the turn was your doom, although I'd wonder about KK since he checked the flop and check-raised the turn.
Get'em next time.
so many dickwads play that hand the same way your oppenant did with ace 10 through ace queen that you have little choice but play it out.
The only thing you could of done was check the turn to control the pot, but with 2 diamonds, you don't want give a free card. I get stacked there too.
read chris fargis most recent post about getting busted out of the foxwoods main event, similar but different, I guess the choice you have to make is do you ever want to risk your entire stack with 2 pair.
If you don't lose all your money there, you are doing something wrong. Tough hand.
Wow.....
How could you commit to top 2 with AK? You need to seriously evaluate your game here.
OK, that breaks the monotony.
In all honesty, you played the hand well, did nothing wrong, just got unlucky. Anybody and everybody gets stacked on a hand like that......just sucks to see $200 shipped away from you.
I was smelling top two vs bottom set the whole way. However, you are still correct to go broke. Over your lifetime in cheap games your opponent has a set less than 50% of the time.
Ick first off do not listen to ANYTHING and MTT player has to say about a cash game. Sets are hard to detect for a reason. He played it really well.. you maybe could have gotten away from it for a little less but I do not think you played it badly. Would be interested in more cash players feedback besides Fuel..
I had a similar hand recently. I have 88 and call a small raise. Flop is K8x. Turn is a K. I stack the fucker who had AK. Sets are deadly which is why you call any raise up to about 7% of your stack with any pocket pair. Something like that. It's a Slansky thing. The 5/7 rule or something. God my brain does not function.
Just one of those hands that will no doubt bust most of us. Both you and your opponent played it as expected. If you suspected trips then I would have simply made a smaller stab at the river bet and if pushed back at then it would be decision time. You played and got stuck on the aggressor side. The King coming up probably sealed your death sentence.
Congrats on the license situation. So when do you move ?
Look, Iak, we can sit here and circle jerk you all day, but I'm going the other route. I certainly don't think that you played the hand terribly, but all things considered, if there was a mistake, it was that you were not listening to what your opponent told you.
On the flop, he cold called you, which you admit set off a bit of the alarms. On the turn, you bet out with your Top 2 and he re-raises. What is he saying? He is saying that he does not want to miss any more opportunities to get your money because he has a monster. Now, he may've had a lesser two-pair, but with the two diamond flop, I dare say that you have to consider exactly what he DID have, a set. I'm not saying its easy to lay down your cards here, but I am saying that he is announcing, "I HAVE IT, MOFO!" Now, you can choose to not believe him, but why push? What does that get you? I'd prefer a call on to the raise, rather than a re-raise. Sure, calling is weak, but, well, you sorta are weak compared to his set. Plus, if the river fills that flush, you may be able to check it down thereafter.
As I said, I don't hate the way you played this hand, but if you made an error, it was in re-raising when you should have (at the most) called.
GL to you sir.
I agree, very tough hand. However I have to agree with Jordan as well: He was "telling" you he had a set when he raised you there. Would I have folded? No. I wish I could say I would have but I wouldn't there. But I may have just called him there. Then I probably would have checked and called on the river, unless of course a third K or A came down.
This is passive play, of course, but this kind of play has saved me money when my opponent has told me he has a big hand with a raise on the turn.
You could also argue it's cost me money when I've had a big hand.
Still, it's happened to all of us.
P.S. One final note. Deep poker players like us (cough cough) generally overthink hands. "Is he trying to push me off because he saw me fold to pressure twice before" is just one of those thoughts. Yes, maybe, if we're playing Fuel, but at our level of cash game, almost all bets mean EXACTLY what they appear to mean. If a guy raises you, he has what he thinks is a huge hand. End of story. Try to play at a high level, but don't give your opponents the same credit.
Peaker's advice in his "P.S." fuckin' rocks. Well said, Peaker, and great advice that I'll hopefully use.
Tx gents as always, J & Peak I hear what you're saying too.
i'd really like to see Waffles fold top two against a "perceived" set in a cash game.
go back and look at your ptracker stats and see how many times you went busto with two pair hitting both your hole cards against a set.
it's happened to me once in 10, 619 hands according to my tracker stats.
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hey Iak, congrats on the license coming through! When's the move?
You obviously don't play enough Smokkee as it happens a a lot. Not saying I would have folded in that situation.. a lot depends there on what you think of the guys play, how he has played big hands up till then, etc..
Of course you wouldn't fold there.. you wouldn't fold top pair 3 kicker there.
LMAO
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